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Gaile Gray · Nov 05, 2006, 11:58 PM // 23:58

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

Regarding Razah, Gaile posted on GWO:

Great. Why must announcements both please and dissappoint at the same time?

Sorry about that, but in fact, we want you to have fun with this, and we don't want to be that kid behind you in the movie theatre, saying "The bad guy isn't dead, he's in the closet!" So while it might be fun for about five minutes to have us provide the entire chapter and verse on the update, this content is so cool, you really do want to discover it for yourself. (And I am hopeful that everyone will be good about not "spoilering it" in the forums.)

Ulivious The Reaper · Nov 05, 2006, 11:59 PM // 23:59

Bleh, so i wasn't told that prior sunspear rank 8 that i couldn't get the titles requirements(blessings) anymore, isn't a glitch? Gg anet, gg, oh well it feels good to be a governor of a castle... :|

[riVen] · Nov 06, 2006, 12:00 AM // 00:00

Gaile can we get a refund now? I mean, the elite mission (or even missions) was mentioned in the game manual as a feature.

Ah nevermind, I guess this is yet another one of anet screwups that we'll just have to take. gg, /resign.

Amity and Truth · Nov 06, 2006, 12:01 AM // 00:01

Well, that atleast means Razah is actually in the game. One way or another :P

LumpOfCole · Nov 06, 2006, 12:02 AM // 00:02

Personally, I'm hoping the Elite mission has to do with corsairs! Reading about the Code of the Corsairs, and I want to do some pirate-like missions and rise in ranks with a Corsair faction, or something of the sort. Arrrrrr

Former Ruling · Nov 06, 2006, 12:05 AM // 00:05

So...Basically, to keep up with the breakneck pace of bringing these games out way before they need to be, You'll be releasing basically the core of the games on the release date, and design and code the features that we bought the game for on your own time and label them as additional content so the more gullible of us will be delighted by updates and features that we were already told we'd be getting >_>

I can see it now: Guild Wars Chapter 4 Propaganda: "AUCTION HOUSES, RESERVE YOUR COPY TODAY!"

When it comes out...Wheres the Auction House? wait a week...Gaile posts "It doesn't exist, but I CAN say...You'll be getting alittle present in the form of an auction house later this year, though I can't promise how good it'll be - our team IS presed for time mind you" >_>

I'm just glad this game is good regardless so I won't say too much more. Just hope people don't start getting fed up with this, the game won't be too much fun if all the good people to play with leave.

Esprit · Nov 06, 2006, 12:06 AM // 00:06

I hope the more 'direct route' is soon. I am at Rank 8 and a little disappointed that I cannot get any further until the update is released.

Bahamut44 · Nov 06, 2006, 12:06 AM // 00:06

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Originally Posted by generik

Is there any update on what will happen for the Factions elite missions?

I just wanna see them open to the public again, at least so they are populated, I hate having to spam for a ferry in HzH/Cavalon. (Perhaps having them open for people who have completed the game so people dont moan about 'noobs')

mrcake · Nov 06, 2006, 12:14 AM // 00:14

Thanks for the answer finally gaile. much appreciated.

Gaile Gray · Nov 06, 2006, 12:16 AM // 00:16

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Originally Posted by Anarkii

The only way currently known to rise past Rank 8 is to enter an area just before you reach Rank 8, take the blessing, and clear mobs while leaving their monks. And move on to the next mob. By the time you get back to the first place, the monks would have ressed the entire team, and you can rinse and repeat. Unless there's another way not commonly known, you have to be joking that this was 'intended'

Obviously that's not the "intended" way to get rank, you're absolutely correct. That method was a clever gamer figuring out the angles and coming up with a creative solution to what the majority saw as an insoluable conundrum. Now, it's Sunday, so I cannot ask a designer, "Say, did you predict this would happen?" But in a general sense, I think there are three possibilities: (1) Sometimes, gamers find ways to solve things that the designers don't foresee. (2) Sometimes gamers find ways to work around a complex issue in creative ways that the designers include for the especially dedicated player. (Sort of like having "hidden Mickeys" in Disney movies. Cool for those who care to take the time to find them and not of harm to those who do not.) And admittedly, (3) sometimes gamers find exploits that need to be closed.

I'd be interested in hearing if you guys think that this work-around falls in to the third category. In my opinion, I don't feel there is any harm in players having devised this work around, and since others will be able to acquire the rank in the not-too-distant future, I don't see where this requires us to amend the game to prevent it. Do you feel differently?

Lastly, a lot of things were included in The Manuscripts, including content that foreshadows Campaign 4. Do you feel we "owed" that content, too, with release of Nightfall?

There is only one box release, and obviously the manual is the one and only shot we have to reach the players with a printed publication prior to release of the next campaign. The update is being worked on now, and will be coming within the next few months. If you anticipated a different delivery schedule, then I apologize for your disappointment.

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Originally Posted by Bahamut44

I just wanna see them open to the public again, at least so they are populated, I hate having to spam for a ferry in HzH/Cavalon. (Perhaps having them open for people who have completed the game so people dont moan about 'noobs')

Understood. I will pass along your thoughts about Canthan elite missions to the designers!

Naomi Heartily · Nov 06, 2006, 12:19 AM // 00:19

I'm a little disappointed about the missing Elite Mission...if it wasn't to ship with the game, then it should be added to the list of features in the manual and such, it shouldn't be thought of until it was finished. False advertising in a sense... :x

Arkantos · Nov 06, 2006, 12:22 AM // 00:22

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

The update is being worked on now, and will be coming within the next few months. If you anticipated a different delivery schedule, then I apologize for your disappointment.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that means that people with rank 8 in sunspear title are stuck on that for a few months? And instead of having an elite mission which mostly the whole community thought would be accesable when Nightfall was released, we have to wait a few months for something else?

makosi · Nov 06, 2006, 12:22 AM // 00:22

Can you give us any clear insight in to what criteria must be met to access these Elite areas that are due soon? I'm just hoping I won't need to pay for a taxi from some super-sized alliance of farmers to be get there.

Or will I need the obvious Sunspear title at Rank <Insert Number Here>?

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Originally Posted by Naomi Heartily

I'm a little disappointed about the missing Elite Mission...if it wasn't to ship with the game, then it should be added to the list of features in the manual and such, it shouldn't be thought of until it was finished. False advertising in a sense... :x

When you go to McDonalds and ask for a Big Mac Meal with Coke and they give you a free Apple Pie, do you complain?

Two April Mornings · Nov 06, 2006, 12:24 AM // 00:24

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

(2) Sometimes gamers find ways to work around a complex issue in creative ways that the designers include for the especially dedicated player. (Sort of like having "hidden Mickeys" in Disney movies. Cool for those who care to take the time to find them and not of harm to those who do not.) And admittedly, (3) sometimes gamers find exploits that need to be closed.

I'd be interested in hearing if you guys think that this work-around falls in to the third category. In my opinion, I don't feel there is any harm in players having devised this work around, and since others will be able to acquire the rank in the not-too-distant future, I don't see where this requires us to amend the game to prevent it. Do you feel differently?

Though this is out of pure jealousy, I'm going to say option 3. Many of us are truly dedicated, but spending HOURS grinding on enemies that died and rezed perhaps hundreds of times doesn't necessarily define dedication to me. I yearn for the sunspear title, matter of fact, it was the title that I concentrated on the most while mapping Elona. The sad truth is that now, unless I go against a feature of the game, I cannot gain this title.

I have waited months for Nightfall, and as a player who is not a great fan of pseudoexploits, I do not want to have to wait more months for rank 9 sunspear.

EDIT:1) The part that annoys me the most is that the only way to gain the title is not only grind, but going against something intentional.
2) Maybe there should be an NPC, a priest, or somebody in the sunspear great house that should have said: "Listen Two April Mornings, you are close to rank 8, after which you won't be able to reach rank 9, because, for no apparent reason, you will receive no more blessings" "You may feel free to feel mad now"

Anarkii · Nov 06, 2006, 12:25 AM // 00:25

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

I'd be interested in hearing if you guys think that this work-around falls in to the third category. In my opinion, I don't feel there is any harm in players having devised this work around, and since others will be able to acquire the rank in the not-too-distant future, I don't see where this requires us to amend the game to prevent it. Do you feel differently?

I beat Nightfall less than 48hrs after release. Thus when I got to Rank 8, I was not aware that it would not be possible to rank up normally. I expected blessings in higher-end areas to work. Only after the first batch of people(including me) got to Rank 8 and discussed this issue, did the others try the trick/exploit.

There are two facets to this I'm not pleased with -
- What happens to the current lot of Rank 8s. Just because they got there first, and werent aware of the problem, will they be stranded this gets changed in your update?

- The workaround/exploit isnt very reliable either. It requires you to spend several hours at a stretch farming the mobs. If by chance, you happen to get disconnected, you permanently lose a chance at getting Rank 9.

Naomi Heartily · Nov 06, 2006, 12:26 AM // 00:26

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Originally Posted by makosi

When you go to McDonalds and ask for a Big Mac Meal with Coke and they give you a free Apple Pie, do you complain?

Is the free Apple Pie on the list of the food you get with the meal? No. Was the Elite Mission on the feature list? Yes...

Gaile Gray · Nov 06, 2006, 12:27 AM // 00:27

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Originally Posted by makosi

Can you give us any clear insight in to what criteria must be met to access these Elite areas that are due soon? I'm just hoping I won't need to pay for a taxi from some super-sized alliance of farmers to be get there. Or will I need the obvious Sunspear title at Rank <Insert Number Here>?

I will see if we can provide some of that information in advance, you bet. At present not only do I not know if I can speak of it, I don't know the information to share.

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Originally Posted by Naomi Heartily

I'm a little disappointed about the missing Elite Mission...if it wasn't to ship with the game, then it should be added to the list of features in the manual and such, it shouldn't be thought of until it was finished. False advertising in a sense...

But as gently as possible, how is an in-the-box manual "advertising?" You didn't have the manual until you purchased the game. Please read what I've written on this above, or allow me to express it another way: One manual covers many months, and the choice is either (1) have a shorter, less informative manual and rely on people reading websites for the extended information, or (2) put game content information, including some of what is planned to come after release, into the manual that goes into the box. As a gamer, I'd choose #2, myself.

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Originally Posted by makosi

When you go to McDonalds and ask for a Big Mac Meal with Coke and they give you a free Apple Pie, do you complain?

Thank you; that's so very true!

makosi · Nov 06, 2006, 12:28 AM // 00:28

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Originally Posted by Naomi Heartily

Is the free Apple Pie on the list of the food you get with the meal? No. Was the Elite Mission on the feature list? Yes...

I'm not disputing what you're saying but where does it say there will be Elite areas? I just can't find it.

Fates · Nov 06, 2006, 12:39 AM // 00:39

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Originally Posted by makosi

I'm not disputing what you're saying but where does it say there will be Elite areas? I just can't find it.

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Originally Posted by PCGamer

The Nightfall campaign will also include three new Challenge missions and one new Elite mission ... Elite missions will be easier to access in Nightfall

The Novermber issue of PCGamer was out way before Nightfall...yes, the elite mission was an advertised part of Nightfall. Good enough for you?

ubermancer · Nov 06, 2006, 12:42 AM // 00:42

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Originally Posted by makosi

When you go to McDonalds and ask for a Big Mac Meal with Coke and they give you a free Apple Pie, do you complain?

No, but I do get pissed when they give me a normal Cheese Burger instead. (and usually with the pickles I asked them to leave off)